Sponsor |  jxmac | Oct 31, 2007 3:44pm | | I don't get it...what is so harsh and dangerous about sitting still for a few moments? I do it every morning for 20 minutes. it's like an instant reboot. your mind needs rest too, and i don't think it gets it during sleep either. That's when it shits out all loose ended stuff in dreams. So just sit and listen and be. |
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|  LuridHope | Oct 31, 2007 4:19pm | | if a tree falls on you when you are sitting still in the woods for 20 minutes do you make a sound? |
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|  mscsrrr | Nov 1, 2007 11:41am | | If you think that Zen is sitting still and doing nothing, then you are obviously mistaking the finger pointing to the moon to be the moon! |
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| | sollune | Nov 1, 2007 1:52pm | I agree with the other guy
(no, not that one, the other one) |
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| | goodfoot08 | Nov 1, 2007 10:16pm | | I think the closer you get to silence the more you hear the sounds within yourself. If that is the sound of your fear or insecurities about being stripped of rational tools for being than I would expect that the silence appears to be dangerous and harsh. That sounds more judgmental than I am feeling when I say this. Any challenge that one goes to is a worthy challenge and not something I am going to be critical of. |
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| | mscsrrr | Nov 2, 2007 8:30am | | Zen is not about hearing the sounds within you. Zen is the state of being that you attain in the absence of all sounds, both within and without. Sounds come from mind. But Zen is beyond mind and sounds!!! Therefore, Zen can only be indicated, and cannot be described because all descriptions come from the mind. Do you follow? |
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| | sollune | Nov 2, 2007 8:41am | "But Zen is beyond mind and sounds!!!"
wow! with three ! ?!?!
"Do you follow?"
no!!! please tell us more?!?!!
this is SO INTERESTING!!!! |
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Sponsor | | Ogmin | May 21, 1:10pm | birth and death are harsh
thinking is dangerous
zen is a birch-bark canoe |
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|  ojorobot | Jun 18, 9:49am | | Because desire is harsh and ignorance is dangerous. |
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